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the tide is turning against

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our movement didn't start in washington

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a fictionalized account of gloria

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movement this is a topic i've touched on

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and i probably way over did it in this

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episode with the very excellent dr gail

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but i think this idea of being

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including our current understanding of

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so many of the conversations we have on

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here's a clip from the upcoming

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so if you're asking me do i

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think there's a psyop all i can say is i

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don't have enough information to know i

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yes i believe in it because i don't know

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it is that these mysterious manipulators

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i'm inviting you to push back as

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hard as you can on this destroy the

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narrative that i just laid out

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destroy the narrative that gloria

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steinem was a lifetime cia player

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because the answer you gave me in the

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gail it was so completely inadequate it

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was the opposite of everything we should

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because what you said was i don't

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we must never succumb to

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i don't care about the manipulators

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only could care about

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what they give me at the end we must

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never succumb to that we must

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always be about the truth welcome to

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skeptico where we explore controversial

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science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics

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i'm your host alex cicaras and today we

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welcome dr gail

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kimball to skeptico gail is a professor

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ameriti

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from uc chico and was the first

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coordinator of their women's studies

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she's also a nautilus award-winning

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we're going to talk about some of her

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great books today

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and you know one of the great things

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about gail is she is familiar with the

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you did you know do you remember that i

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last year so i'm very familiar

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i i do and i really appreciate it i

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think we have a good chat

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and i i really look forward to having uh

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that kind of chat again today because

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you you have these books that are really

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our alley here at skeptico and the kind

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of stuff that you know we talk about

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and that you're passionate about too in

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terms of materialism

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reality consciousness and all the rest

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so let's start then by at least

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describing these books talk about what

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they're about mysteries of reality

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and mysteries of healing the mysteries

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trilogy but it's really quite an

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so many of the folks that you've talked

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tell us about this project how you got

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the way it started is i do energy work

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psychology conference in toronto

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the science and consciousness kind of

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materialist paradigm of how scientists

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graduate school educated people are in

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their belief system i thought

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to explore more how you can have the

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pig slime because they don't fly they

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reality work what's real and

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central theme to this whole project that

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in that you're talking about the bravery

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wrong this dominant paradigm and i think

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flawed right is that true

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last century that the reality is we know

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frequencies there could be 11 dimensions

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taken me a long time to get here i mean

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i've been at this for over 10 years

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hundreds and hundreds of interviews

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just going down the lines that you're

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going down go talk to the best

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scientists

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go talk to the people that oppose them

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and try and sort this out

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but i'll tell you what gail after doing

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that for years

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i really have to wonder if there isn't

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something more going on

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and if that more part isn't really

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central to what's going on i want to

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play for you a clip i did from an

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interview

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with david ike do you know who david ike

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is

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right the reptile guy the good the

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reptile guy well he

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he's more than the reptile guy he's also

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someone who has recently

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banned on youtube and facebook

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for advocating free speech free thought

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advocating love your enemy one of the

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things that he recommends

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doing to the people who oppose him is

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not

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respond to them with anger or any of the

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negative energy they bring

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but just to respond to them with love

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because

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that's what consciousness is all about

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so let me play this

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clip from david ike in my interview with

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him that i think

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will tee up exactly what we were just

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talking about

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you were one of the first people to

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really blow the whistle on this fake

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scientific understanding of

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consciousness and its insistence

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that we are biological robots in a

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meaningless universe

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and we should accept our empty lives and

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just get on with it

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what you've just described is the

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foundation to mass human control

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without which mass human control cannot

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happen

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because if you know that you are

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in your true eye an expression of

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consciousness

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a point of attention within an infinite

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flow of consciousness

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then there's no way that a handful of

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psychopaths and

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idiots which is basically the

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combination that runs the world

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can impose themselves on your life in

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the way that you will acquiesce to

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whatever they tell you

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you won't do it because you know

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you are consciousness you know you are

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an infinite expression of consciousness

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and that will never allow itself to be

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subjugated

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and uh intimidated into submission

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okay so gail what do you think is this

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biological robot meaningless universe

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materialism that we're talking about is

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it part of a

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mind control meme is it a psyop

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you know is it a psychological operation

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or is it just

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you know boy's gone wild science boys

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just oh my gosh

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they fumbled that one again they can't

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seem to understand

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the double slit experiment oh golly g

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what do you think

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psyop or just you know well

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bernardo castro is one of the people in

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the book who's really well known now

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writing articles for scientific american

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about the the paradigm shift

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um he says that the masses of people

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walk around

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in a kind of haze and it's kind of like

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a

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or self-responsibility

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in some ways it negates free will to say

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we're only the

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result of our chemical processes

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so yes i think the masses of people

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are kind of stupid in

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drinking beer and watching fox news and

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whatever ways they self-medicate from

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their

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pain but your question is itself

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is it social engineered as you call it

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or is it just people being

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resistant to change um

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well a lot of people think that that the

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wealthy elite have engineered the system

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in a way that they're dominant

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and we know that that that society

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globally has gotten more and more

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unequal there's more and more hunger

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there's more and more autocrats um

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so some people think it's deliberately

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intelligently

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engineered and others don't i

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i i think what matters is that we resist

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it

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and and don't accept that we're

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those kind of robots who don't think and

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question and

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have responsibility for our actions

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gail if we don't come down with a

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decision as to whether or not it's a

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psyop

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how would we resist it what would be

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what

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would we be resisting if we don't

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understand that this is some kind of

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engineered plan to make us feel hopeless

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afraid make us feel meaningless make us

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feel less powerful if that is somehow

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being engineered as

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part of a social engineering project

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then i think we would respond one way

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if it's just a genuine misunderstanding

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by some guys who

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interpreted the data the wrong way i

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think we would respond in a completely

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different way wouldn't you agree

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um no because i think that the issue

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is that we follow real science

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not not consensus science but real

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science that looks at evidence

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looks at facts um says if you have

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thousands of double-blind

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studies that are repeated as in dean

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rayden's work

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then you pay attention to it so i think

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sticking to science is um can

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can solve the problem because it's hard

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to prove that it's socially engineered

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except that i'm thinking we know i think

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it's proven that

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commercials media manipulates us to feel

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inadequate so if i want to be more

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feminine

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i'll buy this lipstick and if you want

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to be more masculine you'll buy this

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sports car so definitely media

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i think that's proven manipulates us to

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feel insecure

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and inadequate so we'll buy their

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products

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so that's i think that's evident it's

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not as evident that there's a small

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elite um keeping us dumbed down so they

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can

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rule the world well

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you know backing up on the small elite

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rule the world thing

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well let's back off of that and just

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return to the idea

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of science and the you know because if

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you're saying that

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science can get us out of this mess

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again i'd kind of have to push back and

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say

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well really if we're to understand it

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as a psyop as a psychological mind

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control

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that we want

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in order to better run our society

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i can't see how we would not that

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wouldn't force us to

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approach it from a different perspective

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because then we would look at the tools

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of science

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in the way that it's working in the

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system as being part of the problem

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i actually think that's what your work

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in your books that we're talking about

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your mysteries trilogy reveals

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and even your story about josephson

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definitely reveals that it's a it's been

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systematized

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it's in the institution it's right when

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you break

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out you lose your funding you lose your

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associates you lose your

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interns so you don't get promoted

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don't get promoted you don't get hired

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you don't get tenure you don't get all

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the rest of that

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so at what point do you feel comfortable

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kind of saying

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okay there is something more to this

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than just

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gosh john boy's gone wild kind of thing

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who

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exactly do you think is doing the social

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engineering do you

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believe with ikey that it's reptilians

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who are ets or who who are these

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illuminati or who who are these cabal

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people that are manipulating us

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this is a this is a great question i

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love when people turn around and ask me

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questions and

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i'd say there's a good science principle

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here

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that needs to come into play one you're

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the one to talk about reptilians and

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illuminati i never brought up those

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topics

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but the science thing is at play the the

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science thing that is at play is that

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in order to falsify a theory

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i'm not required to replace it with

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another theory

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in order to falsify the idea that

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materialism biological robot meaningless

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universe

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mean is engineered

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all i have to do is show evidence like

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we're talking about here that one that

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kind of stuff does happen social

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engineering is in play and

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we're on board with that you talk about

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advertising and all the rest of that

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and then i can lay out the evidence for

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why we think

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why i think it's in play here like we

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just did with josephson or we could talk

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about

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the intentional deception that rupert

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sheldrick ran into

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or the you know laugh-in-your-face

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absurdity of dean raiden's

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multiply replicated experiments across

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many labs across the world that doesn't

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deserve the attention so i could pile up

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like i have over the years

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evidence upon evidence upon evidence

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like you have in your mysteries book

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and at some point i would maintain that

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then the burden of proof

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shifts over to someone else to say okay

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i've laid out the case

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that this is a psyop the burden proof is

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not

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um i'm thinking of some of my

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psychiatrists who are in the healing

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book

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and therapists discovered that there

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are entities who are negative and this

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ties in with your

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interest in evil and your book that's

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coming out in october about

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evil um so they they

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didn't initially believe in this kind of

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thing but they

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could see evidence and aura photos

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like um one of the psychiatrists

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did and so they concluded that there are

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these

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evil higher power

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or lower power entities out there that

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want evil for us

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so i um it's hard to get your

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rational left brain mind around that

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kind of thing

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but they they have experienced them work

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with them

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robert alcott psychiatrists says some of

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them he thinks are fallen angels

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who can be convinced to fall away from

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their evil masters

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and kind of come back to the light again

575
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,320
and you use that expression the light

576
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:43,440
versus the dark so um

577
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,559
again so it's hard for your left brain

578
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,760
common sense mind to grasp it or it is

579
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,640
for mine

580
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,000
but it does look like there are evil

581
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:57,200
forces out there okay now you're coming

582
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:57,679
into

583
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:01,840
appreciate you mentioning that

584
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,880
but i'm going to return us to this idea

585
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,440
of the

586
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,240
the psyop question because we don't know

587
00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:09,760
if it's true or not but

588
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:13,880
is biological robot meaningless universe

589
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,200
materialism is it a psyop

590
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:20,080
i think that is such a central question

591
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,720
and you know

592
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,960
david ike the reptilian guy as you call

593
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,240
them

594
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,000
in my opinion the guy is one of the

595
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:27,520
bravest

596
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,400
thinkers of our time and that's why he

597
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,679
was banned of course

598
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,280
because he's brave and he just says

599
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:35,200
stuff and then people go you can't say

600
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,720
that you're not allowed to say that we

601
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,480
gotta take you off of youtube

602
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,720
because you said that but what he said

603
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,159
so succinctly

604
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,640
i feel like i was inadequate in spending

605
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:45,760
all those years

606
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,880
banging against you know uh

607
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,799
you know all these skeptics and trying

608
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,240
to challenge him and all that

609
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,600
because if it is engineered in some way

610
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,000
then it's really a different game so you

611
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:59,679
know where i'm going with this gail

612
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,480
because you are

613
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,600
so nice and open and

614
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,760
i do want to make sure that we don't go

615
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,679
too far afield

616
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:10,240
without returning people to these books

617
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,520
because we haven't even talked about

618
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,440
them and you're such a gracious guest

619
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:16,000
you don't try and push us back to the

620
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,799
book so

621
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,880
i'm the one who's going to tell folks

622
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,559
you do have to check out these books

623
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,520
because

624
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,640
all the people that gail is mentioning

625
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,520
dr kimball has interviewed and put those

626
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:28,400
interviews

627
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,320
in the book so dean braden

628
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,960
bernardo castro uh let's keep going is

629
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,720
joe simpson in there

630
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:39,279
yes joseph said what are some of the

631
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:39,760
other

632
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:43,200
big name jump off the page kind of

633
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,080
people

634
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:46,080
that uh you have in these books that

635
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:47,360
people are going to find and that they

636
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,159
can check out

637
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,760
uh famous ones i would say um

638
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,799
larry dossey larry dossie

639
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:57,120
has been doing is really one of the

640
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:57,840
leaders

641
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,200
in healing and he's a doctor an

642
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,320
md in texas who has

643
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,080
gone against the system for the longest

644
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:08,000
time and has compiled an incredible

645
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,799
amount of

646
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,440
very very compelling evidence he's not

647
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,880
somebody you want to mess with because

648
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,000
he knows his stuff

649
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:17,520
who else um you know who i think is one

650
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,159
of the most

651
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,240
interesting i don't know how well known

652
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,480
he is he's a sociology

653
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:25,279
professor in new york and that's william

654
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:25,919
benson

655
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,039
have you had him on bankston healing

656
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,480
phenomenal unbelievable again we have

657
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,279
had him on

658
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,360
in the experiment that he did if anyone

659
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,480
doesn't know about

660
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,600
it new he leaned he's a

661
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,240
professor so he he ran into this

662
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,320
hands-on healing thing that he was kind

663
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:45,679
of stumbled into

664
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,320
you can read it from his book or you can

665
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,000
listen to the skeptical interview

666
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,400
and it's amazing what he personally

667
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,080
experienced and documented

668
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:56,880
and did with a lab at new york

669
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:57,679
university

670
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,120
no joke kind of stuff but an incredible

671
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,240
healing story yes you know what's

672
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,360
interesting about

673
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,640
benson is he found that

674
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,880
for people who don't know his work he

675
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:12,880
has the healers

676
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,840
who are skeptics he only uses skeptics

677
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,679
he doesn't want any believers he doesn't

678
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,760
want anybody who thinks they're a healer

679
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,080
he uses students and other people who

680
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:23,679
are skeptics and they put

681
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,600
hands around the mice cage the mice are

682
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,880
injected with

683
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,840
breast cancer cells and ordinarily they

684
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,159
would die in about 27 days

685
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,400
full stop right there i'm not sure how

686
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,200
any of us feel about that

687
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,679
but we do that and and we did that in

688
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,039
this case but

689
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,760
you know injecting animals who have

690
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,120
consciousness

691
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,679
with cancer so we can predictably see

692
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:50,480
that they die

693
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,240
so we can i i have i have mixed feelings

694
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,320
about that i understand both sides of it

695
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,320
but i don't want to just blow past that

696
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,840
because and because then we make it

697
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,480
sound like

698
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,240
we're totally sure that that's a good

699
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,559
thing to do and i'm not

700
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,440
well i i tell you i kill rats in my

701
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,559
house

702
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,960
so um i have been known to be an animal

703
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,840
killer

704
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,440
i appreciate you saying that too because

705
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,360
there's a realness to that

706
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,480
in terms of how we operate in this world

707
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,000
so i'm not coming down one way or

708
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,240
another i just always

709
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:25,039
you get where i'm coming from too is not

710
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:26,640
sure how to play that

711
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,159
okay so benson what he did is he found

712
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,919
that the rats who were healed lived

713
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,159
their normal two-year cycle

714
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,360
and then what he's doing now is

715
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,720
he's duplicating the frequency

716
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,159
in the room where healers in his method

717
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,200
are working on the mice and

718
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,600
he thinks that can be a cure for cancer

719
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,120
so you could

720
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,399
can so to speak the frequencies and send

721
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:56,000
it around the world you wouldn't have to

722
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,120
have a human

723
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,320
um healer present and what's interesting

724
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,159
to me i was really interested

725
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,120
in this because he needs to replicate it

726
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,480
in other labs

727
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,799
and no one will do it so i said okay i'm

728
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,559
going to try so i talked to

729
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,880
people at california state university

730
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,000
chico in the

731
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,000
biology and the nursing said will you do

732
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,159
this this is he's cured cancer

733
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,640
like this will be very exciting to see

734
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:22,559
if we can replicate it here

735
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,000
no so last i heard he was trying to find

736
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,600
a lab in japan

737
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,360
but that's another example of the

738
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,880
materialist paradigm

739
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,120
a cure for cancer and they don't want to

740
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,520
explore it

741
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:37,360
very telling that's a great that's a

742
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,440
great little inside story i i love that

743
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,600
who else who else should we mention uh

744
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,279
that that people will

745
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,679
be excited to hear about in the books

746
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,279
well you know who's really interesting

747
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:51,120
to me is susan blackmore

748
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,559
because she's a skeptic and i tried very

749
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,520
hard to get

750
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:58,320
skeptical voices as part of the books

751
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,960
because

752
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,120
i wanted to hear what their criticisms

753
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,960
were and see how we could respond to

754
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,480
them and that kind of thing

755
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,440
and all the skeptics that i approached

756
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,520
said no but susan blackmore

757
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,919
so she's interesting to me because she

758
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,480
has the courage of her convictions

759
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,880
and she's well known for writing about

760
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,159
consciousness

761
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:21,520
and had her own experiences with out of

762
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,399
body

763
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:25,600
travel while smoking hash and whatever

764
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,000
when she

765
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,399
was an undergrad but her her point of

766
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,360
view is that everything

767
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,720
can be explained by our brain functions

768
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,399
that certain parts of our brains are

769
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,640
triggered in such in such a way

770
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:41,120
so she was interesting to me because i

771
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:42,399
felt she was very

772
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,600
sincere and spoke up for what she

773
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,640
believed in

774
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,559
you know i'm glad you brought her up

775
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,640
because she came up

776
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:52,320
as part of an interview that i did i

777
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:53,520
think just the last one that was

778
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,320
published

779
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,919
it may not be the last one that comes

780
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,440
out in the sequence that i

781
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,320
gradually get these things out and she's

782
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:02,159
going to be a perfect segue and to talk

783
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,760
about this next topic that i want to

784
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,640
talk about

785
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:07,279
i don't think she's sincere at all i

786
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,000
think she's

787
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,600
a player in some sense uh an agent

788
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,200
in some sense and i'll tell you why

789
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:14,799
because i had an interview with her

790
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,159
a direct interview with her and i was

791
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,760
i was able to hold her feet to the fire

792
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,840
on near-death experience science because

793
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,120
she was making a bunch of claims that

794
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,039
were just not true

795
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,080
and i got her to admit that anyone can

796
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,000
go back and listen to the interview

797
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,480
but she says alex i haven't stayed on

798
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,840
top of the research in near-death

799
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,480
experience

800
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,360
yeah she told me that too the next month

801
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,960
she went out and gave a presentation on

802
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,279
near death experience science

803
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,679
and she maintained she maintained her

804
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,640
position

805
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,600
that is all brain based it's similar to

806
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,399
this very distorted strange position

807
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:53,520
that this buddhist atheism vein has

808
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,000
risen

809
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:57,360
you know it that they they whenever you

810
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:57,760
hear

811
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,440
someone say uh the buddhism and

812
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:04,640
atheists are somehow compatible that's

813
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,039
like

814
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,559
a tip off of some meme that just

815
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,200
doesn't fit because we all know that the

816
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,799
buddha was into karma

817
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,360
the buddha was into reincarnation not

818
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:17,120
into it i guess i shouldn't say

819
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,559
it was fundamental to the belief system

820
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,519
that they lived in it was fundamental to

821
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:24,880
everything they believed

822
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,760
so to suggest that that is somehow

823
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,279
compatible

824
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,760
with this materialistic biological robot

825
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:32,880
meaningless universe

826
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,919
meme is a complete distortion and i

827
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:38,720
would suggest because

828
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,320
dr blackmore she is a doctor right yes

829
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,200
the fact that she has been told this

830
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,960
repeatedly

831
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,840
and yet she continues to not address it

832
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,320
and just

833
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,480
continue her party line like she did for

834
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:54,320
you and she's very charming and she's

835
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,640
very

836
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,559
affable and she comes across and she has

837
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:59,120
the cool hair and all the rest that's up

838
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,399
it is a play it's an act it's just like

839
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,760
it was with me where

840
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,760
i i mean i really thought after my

841
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:07,760
interview with her i thought wow

842
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,200
how brave for someone to admit i'm wrong

843
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,039
you know what i haven't stayed up on the

844
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,960
research well that's what she said but

845
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,679
the next month

846
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,760
she has never changed her position she

847
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,159
has never publicly said

848
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,080
as an intellectual who speaks on these

849
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,600
topics of consciousness

850
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,480
i have now reviewed the research on

851
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,399
near-death experience and i've come to

852
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,360
the conclusion that

853
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:32,320
every prominent near-death experiencer

854
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,279
has come to

855
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,440
and that is that consciousness survives

856
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:36,880
death survives

857
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,480
brain death she has never done that

858
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,720
the way she gets around it like looking

859
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,120
at even alexander's experiences

860
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,679
who by the way is in the book um is that

861
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,840
there's a little bit of memory still

862
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,399
functioning so part the part of the

863
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,679
brain that has

864
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,960
memory capacity is there but then even

865
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,399
alexander says no

866
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,360
his memory parts of his brain which

867
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,039
people don't even know where that is

868
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:05,360
were completely destroyed his brain was

869
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,240
pus

870
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,120
so there's no there's no way that the

871
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,399
physical brain

872
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,200
could remember all those astral

873
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,120
experiences he had

874
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:18,159
um so he he really debunks her whole

875
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:18,640
theory

876
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,240
but she debunks his well gail you know

877
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,519
you're just kind of it's almost like we

878
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,360
rehearse this because you're like

879
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,760
feeding me to the next point that's

880
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,960
gonna make it that's because i do

881
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,559
psychic work

882
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:33,519
that's right you're you're a clairvoyant

883
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,080
and that

884
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,559
is coming into play how wonderful i

885
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,760
didn't even real i didn't make that

886
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,840
connection see i'm not clairvoyant i'm

887
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:41,840
not psychic in any way

888
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,880
i think all humans are well we probably

889
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,159
are and that's what dean braden's

890
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,000
experiment shows whether we like it or

891
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,320
not our body is psychic

892
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,880
so here's the point that we were uh kind

893
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,399
of playing around with in the email

894
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,080
exchange which i think is absolutely

895
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,600
central to this whole thing

896
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,960
and is so rarely explored i i love your

897
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,799
your openness and your ability to hold

898
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,559
on to these ideas loosely so i'm going

899
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,120
to push you in some areas here

900
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,599
i have a deep appreciation for the kind

901
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,040
of work that you're doing here

902
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,679
i also have deep appreciation for uh

903
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:15,440
environmentalism which is something that

904
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:15,919
you're

905
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,639
is important to you and it is to me but

906
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,280
also for

907
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,000
social justice issues and that topic has

908
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,000
been completely distorted

909
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,240
by what goes on today i think it's

910
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,599
anything but that

911
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,919
in the way that it's playing out in our

912
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:30,800
society

913
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,760
but true social justice issues are super

914
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:34,639
important to me

915
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,760
including the rights of women the rights

916
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,720
of people to

917
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:41,359
express their sexuality in whatever way

918
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,919
they want

919
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,240
and certainly the issue of race is like

920
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,399
absurd that we even have to talk about

921
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,399
race as if as if there is such a thing

922
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,159
as race right as if

923
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,760
as if we aren't all some jumble of

924
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:56,639
genes and races and all this ridiculous

925
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,200
stuff

926
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,640
but here's the point that i really

927
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:00,720
wanted to get to

928
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,880
we have to understand the psyop

929
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,960
and just like when i pushed you on the

930
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,040
is materialism messiah

931
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,160
you were very open about that but you

932
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:14,240
couldn't kind of come down one way or

933
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,040
another

934
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,680
so in the email exchange we had i

935
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:18,960
pointed out to you

936
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,920
how gloria steinem who is this figure

937
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:22,880
who has now

938
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,839
been exalt raised to this exalted level

939
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,640
and she's on

940
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,400
she's new in the news now she's on

941
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,680
netflix and

942
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,119
you know all this and she's not doing

943
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,359
that she is a lifetime

944
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,480
cia player she's an agent

945
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:39,119
from the beginning and this is like

946
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,240
super well

947
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,040
documented but it's super important that

948
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,640
people understand

949
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,760
how both can be true how they can see in

950
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,200
glorious steinham

951
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,800
and advancement of social issues social

952
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,680
agendas

953
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,720
that they were in favor of because back

954
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:57,680
in the

955
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,520
50s for my mother she didn't have any

956
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,560
opportunities

957
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,680
she there a society had been built up

958
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:08,400
that completely excluded her in so many

959
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,040
ways

960
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,240
and that needed to change but the fact

961
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,320
that that change agent

962
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,359
came in the form of someone who was

963
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,480
being directed

964
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:21,200
manipulated not even directed and

965
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,320
manipulated

966
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:25,359
who was being employed and was

967
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,960
in cahoots with the cia

968
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,040
is something that i think should trouble

969
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:33,520
us a lot more than it seemed to trouble

970
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,920
you

971
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,920
in the email let me play a couple of

972
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,200
clips

973
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,359
and then i'll let you respond to that

974
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,390
work for the cia then a private

975
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,760
conversation that's right

976
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:48,079
and and the the reason i think that

977
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,200
comes as a

978
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,920
surprise as it did to me at the time i

979
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,800
mean i had

980
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:55,440
the conventional liberals view of the

981
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:56,160
cia

982
00:37:03,430 --> 00:36:59,599
as a right-wing incendiary group

983
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,440
and i was amazed to discover

984
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:05,359
that this was far from the case that

985
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,480
they were enlightened

986
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,520
liberal nonpartisan

987
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,000
activists of the sort who characterized

988
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:14,800
the kennedy administration for instance

989
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,839
you have not been working now for the

990
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,640
cia since 1962

991
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,119
you still criticize uh you were down

992
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,720
recently in washington

993
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:27,760
yes when the when the story broke that i

994
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,480
had

995
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,359
once that's a complete lie we'll expose

996
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,359
that later she was she continued to work

997
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:35,520
for the cia was a lifetime player in the

998
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,320
cia

999
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,680
and even as recent as 2012

1000
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,680
was working for the cia in their

1001
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:42,960
operation in

1002
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:46,960
syria with a totally fake contrived

1003
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:50,320
uh attempt to oppose syria

1004
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,240
in favor of isis

1005
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,359
grasp that for a second she was she came

1006
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,200
out with a position that was directly in

1007
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:01,520
line with the cia's position

1008
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,680
that syria should be admonished for

1009
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,680
not honoring women's rights this is

1010
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,839
syria the most progressive state

1011
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:12,560
in the middle east at the time in favor

1012
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:12,960
of

1013
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,880
isis who was going into villages

1014
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,079
and chopping off the hands of women who

1015
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,480
weren't wearing their burqa or who were

1016
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,480
exposing any parts of their body

1017
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,359
this is a complete lie and that gloria

1018
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,880
steinem if we really look at her history

1019
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:33,119
it didn't start with feminism her

1020
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,640
history with the cia

1021
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,760
started back with the student movement

1022
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,640
and she was her bosses we have memos

1023
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,240
released from her bosses

1024
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,520
that say she was the rising star

1025
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:48,240
in the cia she was an agent they could

1026
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:48,960
go in and

1027
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,920
totally put undercover to bilk these

1028
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,839
kids into believing what they could

1029
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:55,440
let me play one more clip from here and

1030
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,160
then i'll let you respond

1031
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,760
well one of the things they told me was

1032
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:03,760
that um

1033
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,119
he was at the house one night and uh

1034
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,119
we were told you talk and he started

1035
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,160
laughing he said aaron what do you think

1036
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,720
women's liberation was about

1037
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,839
and uh i said i had pretty conventional

1038
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,599
thinking about it at that point i said

1039
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,359
things about women having the right

1040
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,599
to work getting equal pay with men just

1041
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,359
like they won the right to vote

1042
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,880
you know and he started to laugh i said

1043
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:27,359
you're an idiot and i said why am i an

1044
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,240
idiot

1045
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,520
he said you want me let me tell you what

1046
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,440
that was about we the rockefellers

1047
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,720
funded that

1048
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,839
we funded women's lib you know and we're

1049
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:37,359
the ones who got all over the newspapers

1050
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,640
and television the rockefeller

1051
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,400
foundation

1052
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,079
he says and you wonder why he said there

1053
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,400
were two primary reasons

1054
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,960
and they were one reason was we couldn't

1055
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,720
tax half the population

1056
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,119
before women's live and the second

1057
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,400
reason was

1058
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,839
now we get the kids in school at an

1059
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,920
early age we can indoctrinate the kids

1060
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,800
how to think

1061
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,000
which breaks up their family the

1062
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,839
kids start looking at the state as the

1063
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,440
family as a school

1064
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,079
as the officials as their family not as

1065
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,640
the parents teaching them

1066
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,480
and so those are the two prima the

1067
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,000
primary reasons for women's live which

1068
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,760
which i thought up to that point

1069
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,160
was a noble thing you know when i saw

1070
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:18,000
their intentions behind it

1071
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,280
where they were coming from when they

1072
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,040
created it the thought of it

1073
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:23,520
i saw i saw the evil behind what i

1074
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:31,190
okay so and you understand where i'm

1075
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,640
framing this up

1076
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,359
i'm framing it up as if we don't

1077
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:37,520
understand the psyop

1078
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,040
if we're not able to at least consider

1079
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,079
whether or not there is a psyop whether

1080
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,680
it's susan blackmore

1081
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,480
or neil degrasse tyson whether it's

1082
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,160
you're a biological robot in a

1083
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,000
meaningless universe so

1084
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,560
don't even think about your connection

1085
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,160
to a higher consciousness

1086
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:58,160
if we can't identify that psyop then we

1087
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,230
so if you're asking me do i

1088
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,800
think there's a psyop all i can say is i

1089
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,880
don't have enough information to know i

1090
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,839
can't tell you

1091
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:14,800
yes i believe in it because i don't know

1092
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,280
who

1093
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:18,160
it is that these mysterious manipulators

1094
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,359
are

1095
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,839
so i i can't say i believe in something

1096
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:22,720
that it has

1097
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,160
no face or no name do i just don't have

1098
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,680
no i can't i can't let you off the hook

1099
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,440
that easy girl

1100
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,839
you were you were the the founding

1101
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,200
coordinator

1102
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,400
of the women's studies movement at uc

1103
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:42,870
i'm sorry at csu chico no known here in

1104
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:45,359
california is the party school

1105
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:49,280
which is

1106
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,400
they're trying to get rid of that

1107
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:52,000
reputation hey isn't problem when i went

1108
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,800
to

1109
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,440
western illinois university that was the

1110
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,280
party school in illinois it was a great

1111
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,960
it was a great

1112
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,800
well-rounded experience you had the

1113
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:02,000
educational experience

1114
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,440
and you also had the broader part of

1115
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,000
that experience but you are well versed

1116
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:09,440
in women's studies so you are welcome

1117
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:13,280
i'm inviting you to push back as hard as

1118
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,000
you can

1119
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,079
on this destroy the narrative that i

1120
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,000
just laid out destroy the narrative

1121
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,560
that gloria steinem was a lifetime cia

1122
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,960
player because the answer you gave me in

1123
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,240
the email

1124
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,640
gail it was so completely inadequate it

1125
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:28,480
was the opposite of everything we should

1126
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:29,119
be about

1127
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:32,640
because what you said was i don't care

1128
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,079
because she did a lot of good things we

1129
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,160
must never succumb to i don't care

1130
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,800
about the manipulators i don't care how

1131
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,160
i'm being controlled

1132
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,560
i only could care about what they give

1133
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,599
me at the end

1134
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,760
we must never succumb to that we must

1135
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:52,319
always be about the truth

1136
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,319
yeah i agree but i also agree that there

1137
00:43:03,190 --> 00:42:59,440
that human beings aren't just angels

1138
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,200
or devils so think of martin luther king

1139
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,960
i think you would agree that he did a

1140
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,240
lot of good he

1141
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,960
he fought for noble principles and he

1142
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,240
also had a woman

1143
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,119
in various cities he's an adulterer

1144
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,319
smoker

1145
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,680
um drinker accused of plagiarism

1146
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,720
and with his thesis so he he was a

1147
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,240
flawed human being

1148
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,040
but he did a great deal of good let's

1149
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,000
say that gloria

1150
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,000
steinem was a total cia agent which is

1151
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,680
people will have different points of

1152
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,119
view some say she was

1153
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,680
some say she wasn't some say it was just

1154
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,680
like she went to a few

1155
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,880
russian summer camps for youth so it's

1156
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:41,359
it's

1157
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,920
the debate i don't see i don't see any

1158
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,839
credible debate on the other side it's

1159
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,319
like saying susan blackmore is debatable

1160
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,319
she i i just gave you the evidence so we

1161
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,640
can you can contradict that evidence

1162
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,240
or or then you have to accept the

1163
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:57,839
hypothesis same with

1164
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,720
gloria steinem in this case bring forth

1165
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,560
bring forth the evidence that she wasn't

1166
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,560
a lifetime player

1167
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,599
okay let's say that she was so what

1168
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,920
as i said to you in the email if she

1169
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:10,960
does good

1170
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,079
and the cia has certainly been flawed

1171
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,280
run drugs killed assassinated leaders

1172
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,760
it's it's been a very mixed institution

1173
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,079
but do you want to get rid of the cia

1174
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:24,560
don't we need an intelligence agency to

1175
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,200
protect

1176
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:28,560
our country so are you saying you only

1177
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:32,800
um give credence to people who are pure

1178
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
and you have to be either 100 pure or

1179
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,000
we throw you out the baby out with the

1180
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,240
back water

1181
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,960
i appreciate number one i appreciate you

1182
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,720
engaging in this because that really is

1183
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:46,640
the kind of dialogue that i wanted to

1184
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,119
have

1185
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:49,839
and i think you are articulating a lot

1186
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:50,319
of

1187
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:54,079
they're

1188
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,520
they need to be addressed because

1189
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,200
they're important and they're reasonable

1190
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,480
in a lot of ways

1191
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,400
so two things two points i'd like to

1192
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:02,319
make in response to that

1193
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:06,720
first is that individuals

1194
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,680
are flawed i'm very flawed i can i'm

1195
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,119
reminded of that every day

1196
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,800
anyone who's married and has kids

1197
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,640
you're reminded of that by your your

1198
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:18,079
spouse and you're reminded of that by

1199
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,720
your kids

1200
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,280
and i'd certainly fall in that category

1201
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,720
but the other way that i'm reminded of

1202
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,880
it is by this show i make mistakes

1203
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,280
all the time and i have to retract and

1204
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,640
go back and even if

1205
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,400
you know do another interview to kind of

1206
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,160
make it right

1207
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,760
but i think there's a difference between

1208
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:35,839
those individual

1209
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:39,359
personal battles with being congruent

1210
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,560
with who they are

1211
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:43,280
and the institutional control and i

1212
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,920
think we all

1213
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,520
understand that and what i'm really

1214
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,160
trying to get at is the

1215
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,599
institutional part of this because

1216
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:50,720
that's troubling

1217
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,319
to all of us name those institutions

1218
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,800
name those institutions well in in this

1219
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,880
case we're talking about the the cia

1220
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:01,359
but i think the cia is just really kind

1221
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,319
of a

1222
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:05,680
a holding place for an in

1223
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,040
an intelligence control apparatus i mean

1224
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,200
would we leave the nsa out of there

1225
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,760
you know would you leave some other you

1226
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:14,400
know

1227
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,480
dia out of there i mean cia is kind of a

1228
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,599
catch-all that we have but the idea is

1229
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,599
that if we have someone who's being

1230
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,880
propped up

1231
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,000
as this person that

1232
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,880
is all about feminism glorious sign him

1233
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,720
and they are somehow being

1234
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,040
manipulated as part of a larger plan

1235
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:36,400
that i think we have to know about that

1236
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:36,720
so

1237
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,480
the first point is the individual uh

1238
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,200
frailties or lack of you know

1239
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,280
perfectness that we all get to versus

1240
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,880
the institutional thing i think is

1241
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,440
different

1242
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,200
and the second point that you made was

1243
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,640
the the so what

1244
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:53,760
point and i think the so what point is

1245
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,160
so

1246
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,400
important and i'd address it in two ways

1247
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,160
first is that

1248
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:01,440
everything that we think is

1249
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:04,960
worthy worthwhile important about

1250
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,760
what we have here as the united states

1251
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,520
and the ideals

1252
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,760
with which it was established in which

1253
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:13,680
we try and move it forward you know

1254
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:17,119
your whole efforts in the social

1255
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,240
sciences

1256
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,720
at chico at with the women's studies

1257
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,359
movement

1258
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,559
was towards this ideal of who we

1259
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,880
should be who what standard we hold

1260
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:28,400
ourselves to

1261
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,920
and so what is where we hold that

1262
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,480
standard

1263
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:35,599
we are a democracy we don't allow

1264
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,280
secret organizations to make plans

1265
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,880
about how our how we should be governed

1266
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,800
without that being part of the public

1267
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,760
discourse that is exactly the opposite

1268
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,040
of what we do

1269
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,319
and the powers that we give them we are

1270
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,720
in control of those powers that's how it

1271
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,480
is supposed to work

1272
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,800
so none of us are comfortable with the

1273
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,119
idea of jeffrey epstein

1274
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:04,079
and his buddies sitting around a hot tub

1275
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:04,720
in some

1276
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,240
island deciding what the public agenda

1277
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:09,520
will be

1278
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,760
so so what is do you want this to be

1279
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,119
a public discourse in a democracy

1280
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,280
or do you want to just say go ahead

1281
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:20,880
jeffrey whoever is the next

1282
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,480
jeffrey epstein brownstone controlling

1283
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:25,680
political

1284
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,359
officials

1285
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,520
go ahead you guys just get together and

1286
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:33,119
you know rape little kids and tell us

1287
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:33,839
what we should do

1288
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,920
next right of course no one can excuse

1289
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,680
that but i still haven't been able to

1290
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,960
hear from you

1291
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,680
who exactly is doing the social

1292
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,040
engineering

1293
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,880
well in this case i gave i gave example

1294
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,200
after example where the cia was doing

1295
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,720
social engineering right

1296
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:53,200
right right see ya so so we can just

1297
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,000
start with there

1298
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,839
the cia hires i'll pull it up on the

1299
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,760
here let me pull it up on the screen so

1300
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:01,760
here i've pulled up this website people

1301
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,000
can

1302
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,640
read this it's really quite good there's

1303
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,400
the url

1304
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,520
it's titled black feminism the cia

1305
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:12,160
in gloria steinem it shows how she

1306
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,280
undermined not only

1307
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,079
feminism but the black empowerment

1308
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,319
movement the black feminist movement

1309
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,240
it's listed if people can see it here

1310
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,720
facts and facts and facts

1311
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,400
names names of her cia organizer

1312
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:28,960
names names of you know i love when when

1313
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:29,520
they

1314
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,880
her her boss calls her a whiz kid

1315
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:35,359
because she's able to infiltrate student

1316
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,480
festivals

1317
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,520
right so this has nothing to do with

1318
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,359
feminism this is before that

1319
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,040
back when she's a student she's able to

1320
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,400
infiltrate these

1321
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,480
student festivals and she's a whiz kid

1322
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,960
so what is her next assignment

1323
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,040
feminism let's get her on that and

1324
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,040
what's her assignment in 2012

1325
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,680
well go attack syria because they're our

1326
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:56,960
target now

1327
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,359
so you wanted the evidence here's the

1328
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,839
evidence anyone can come in and

1329
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,920
i'm laying on here i'm saying fact after

1330
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,000
fact after fact maybe they're wrong

1331
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,559
maybe we need a fact checker to tell us

1332
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,760
where we're wrong

1333
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,960
but if it's right if the

1334
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,839
feminist the real feminist from the red

1335
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:17,200
stockings who first

1336
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,280
outed gloria steinem as a cia agent

1337
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,280
if she's incorrect but we already know

1338
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,880
it's not correct we've already

1339
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,880
she spun that back the other way as we

1340
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,160
saw on the youtube

1341
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,839
so she was outed you know the other

1342
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,520
thing that's interesting here steinem

1343
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,800
never came out and said i worked for the

1344
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:34,240
cia

1345
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:38,000
until she was outed by the red stockings

1346
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,880
feminist

1347
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,119
and they went and dug up the docks and

1348
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,200
got it and proved it and then she said

1349
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:45,200
well yeah i did work for the cia but you

1350
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,720
know what she said what she said in the

1351
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,599
youtube

1352
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,240
they were really a great organization

1353
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,599
and they were bipartisan

1354
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,480
it's like are you kidding they overthrew

1355
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,160
at this point in her career they had

1356
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,720
overthrown every government in central

1357
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,000
and south america

1358
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,040
they had committed incredible uh

1359
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,800
crimes against humanity in terms of uh

1360
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,839
you know torturing people killing people

1361
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:12,160
overthrowing governments oh no they were

1362
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,960
bipartisan

1363
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,040
i really found them to be great great

1364
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,640
guys life

1365
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,800
time thank you thank you that much

1366
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,359
credit to the cia that they have turned

1367
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,520
the whole world

1368
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,359
that they have access to to zombies

1369
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,280
right it's got to be more than the cia

1370
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,119
they're a small player i would think

1371
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,359
in the social engineering scheme of

1372
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:33,200
things right but you know let's not go

1373
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,240
too far down the

1374
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,960
david ike path because remember the way

1375
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,240
i'm tying this all back

1376
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,640
the point is that you have to understand

1377
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,480
social engineering

1378
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,040
in order to fight it so that is not my

1379
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,160
point that is not my point

1380
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,720
my point is we have to be able to uh

1381
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:51,760
identify

1382
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,319
and understand the means so my point is

1383
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,359
in reference to your excellent books the

1384
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,319
mysteries

1385
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,359
trilogies that you've written which are

1386
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,040
outstanding

1387
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,440
and they're important data points i want

1388
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:08,480
to emphasize that

1389
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,440
these books are great data points

1390
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:12,800
they're reference points

1391
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:16,000
for anyone who needs to bolster their

1392
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,119
opinion

1393
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,839
that this biological robot meaningless

1394
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,359
universe

1395
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,920
game is just a game and it isn't

1396
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,599
supported by the data

1397
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,920
but what i'm suggesting is until we get

1398
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,440
to the next level we haven't really

1399
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,359
gotten anywhere and the next level

1400
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,720
is to is to to to

1401
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,599
answer the the david ike challenge which

1402
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,280
says well of course

1403
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,760
of course that's been like that because

1404
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,280
that's how you would

1405
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,200
that would be your first go-to in

1406
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,880
controlling people

1407
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,520
have them think that they're nothing

1408
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,359
have them think that their life is

1409
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,559
meaningless

1410
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,720
have them think that they are just these

1411
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:55,839
biological

1412
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,520
out of control no free will of course

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00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,079
you would engineer that into the system

1414
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,000
so you have the data

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00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:06,160
i'm offering an interpretation of the

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data

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00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:08,800
and then i'm saying that until we

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00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,240
understand the nature of psyop

1419
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:15,920
we can't really get past the

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00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,910
um you asked about interesting people in

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00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:24,640
the book and

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00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,240
who comes to my mind right now is um

1423
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,040
gary schwartz university of arizona uh

1424
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,960
do you know about his soul phone

1425
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,839
experiments i have it i have an

1426
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,599
interview coming up

1427
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,200
that is not gonna be a good interview

1428
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,359
that's gonna be another one off

1429
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,200
why is the cell phone talking to michael

1430
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:45,040
jackson

1431
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,040
not sure i'm not sure that's the guy

1432
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,200
i'd want to be talking to and the other

1433
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,160
thing about the soul phone is

1434
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,200
god needs our help okay

1435
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,599
okay gary i i get it i love gary

1436
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,440
schwartz i mean you talk about

1437
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,920
really i think his experiment with the

1438
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,640
cell phone

1439
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:07,200
he's misunderstood it because what it

1440
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,680
does

1441
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,319
is it completely puts the nail in the

1442
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,000
coffin of materialism right

1443
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,880
it is another instance of the double

1444
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,559
slit experiment that now becomes

1445
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,839
undeniable

1446
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,400
but to to take it where he's taken it

1447
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:21,200
with a

1448
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,000
quote-unquote soul phone is problematic

1449
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,680
because i don't know i don't know

1450
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,760
well for people who are listening who

1451
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,440
don't know about the double slit

1452
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,599
experiment it's simply that if

1453
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,640
if um like laser beams are observed it

1454
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,200
changes how they manifest so it's that

1455
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,640
the idea is that our focused attention

1456
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,280
creates impact and that's what all the

1457
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:48,720
sci

1458
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:52,160
research shows it's small but if there's

1459
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,640
any

1460
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,440
deviance from chance it shows that

1461
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,119
thoughts have power

1462
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:00,079
and that's really profound so there's

1463
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,280
thousands of

1464
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:03,599
experiments that show that our intention

1465
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,400
creates

1466
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,520
physical change and the cell phone

1467
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:10,160
and the work with mediums that gary's

1468
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,720
doing

1469
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:13,760
and winbridge and tresholde and

1470
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,680
italy to me that shows that our view

1471
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,000
the materialist view that there's just

1472
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,599
this plane

1473
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:24,720
is false and it's it's amazing to think

1474
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,640
that we could communicate with grandma

1475
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:31,599
on on the other side through this cell

1476
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,160
phone

1477
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:34,640
and gary's also had experiences with

1478
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:35,520
angels

1479
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,760
you know so maybe it's the old

1480
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,720
christian tradition and jewish tradition

1481
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,799
of angels are actually true they're not

1482
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,400
just metaphors or

1483
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:51,200
archetypes or something there are these

1484
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,559
these evolved beings

1485
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,319
and that that's really fun to think

1486
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:56,000
about

1487
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,760
where your

1488
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,680
uh where people can get these books are

1489
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,040
they out now

1490
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,200
and um where else can they learn about

1491
00:56:10,990 --> 00:56:07,359
them on your website and elsewhere

1492
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,470
www.gailkimble.info

1493
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:14,480
and there's a bookstore where the books

1494
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:15,760
are listed

1495
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:19,760
and they can get knowledge and healing

1496
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,119
from book babies bookshop and

1497
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,240
reality won't be out until

1498
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,599
march of 2021 are you intentionally

1499
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,240
leaving out amazon are these on amazon

1500
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,559
they are on amazon and i'd rather people

1501
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:35,680
not

1502
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:39,040
use them if they can help it why

1503
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:43,359
because jeff buzos has so

1504
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,040
much so many billions and his workers

1505
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,079
complain about the conditions in the

1506
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,319
the working sites oh don't listen to

1507
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,599
those people don't listen to those

1508
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,720
workers just

1509
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,799
jeff is going to get us to that next

1510
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:58,720
level he's going to help us get

1511
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:02,079
everyone organized he's going to get

1512
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:02,799
everyone

1513
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,559
scanned in vaccinated

1514
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,280
all that thing so jeff is jeff is our

1515
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:11,359
go-to guy and i own a bunch of amazon

1516
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:12,079
stocks so

1517
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:16,960
please buy from amazon if you can

1518
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,000
are you kidding not kidding about owning

1519
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:22,400
amazon stock but i'm being facetious

1520
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:26,079
about the evil of just jeff bezos but i

1521
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,530
do own the stock

1522
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,040
[Laughter]

1523
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,599
it's done very well what can we say then

1524
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,280
you can use the money for good

1525
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,680
see so there sometimes things can be

1526
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,280
gray

1527
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,599
yeah i didn't think of that money for

1528
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:40,720
good that's a

1529
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,400
that's a heck of an idea um so

1530
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:47,440
gail uh this has been a project that you

1531
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:48,559
put a lot of time

1532
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,880
into um do you have any other plans for

1533
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,960
what you're going to do with this series

1534
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,720
are you going to keep doing it

1535
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,280
are you continuing to interview other

1536
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:00,640
leading

1537
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:04,640
you know scientists and thought leaders

1538
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:07,760
um i have a new book out called calm how

1539
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,000
to

1540
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,040
thrive in challenging times and

1541
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:13,680
parent excuse me calm parents and

1542
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,480
children

1543
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:17,119
so they're very specific hands-on

1544
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,920
techniques

1545
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,079
how to stay centered and grounded when

1546
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,599
things are chaotic

1547
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,799
so um i i wanted the

1548
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:27,359
principles of the mysteries book to be

1549
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,319
applied

1550
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:31,119
to how can i use this in my daily life

1551
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,160
and

1552
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:34,880
i want listeners to know that they can

1553
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,280
see

1554
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,040
the interviews with a lot of my

1555
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:39,119
visionary scientists on my youtube

1556
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,000
channel

1557
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:42,480
so that you can actually see them and

1558
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,119
hear them

1559
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,240
and also i'm almost finished with a book

1560
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,680
where i've interviewed girl gen z

1561
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:52,240
climate activists so they're they're

1562
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,040
girls who are

1563
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,599
fighting to save our world and they're

1564
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:56,640
amazing they're so

1565
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,000
young and so smart and so brave so that

1566
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:01,599
they're kind of like the visionary

1567
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,559
scientists

1568
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,359
in their in their courage to take on the

1569
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,440
establishment

1570
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,839
well that's excellent i i just think

1571
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,359
you've done great work here

1572
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,000
um i'm so glad you contacted me while

1573
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,440
over a year ago

1574
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,240
and i thought i've really been excited

1575
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,920
to follow along and what you've done and

1576
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,040
i think these books

1577
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,880
and the youtubes that you've put out are

1578
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,040
great you just can't we can't get enough

1579
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,280
of these terrific thinkers so you're to

1580
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,440
be congratulated and i appreciate you

1581
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,280
playing along with

1582
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,920
my rants and all the rest of that so i

1583
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,119
wasn't playing along i'm

1584
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,079
thinking and i'm i'm my brain is is

1585
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:40,240
digesting what you're saying so i i

1586
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,359
appreciate your

1587
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,960
you're making me think okay gail well

1588
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,119
thanks again for joining me on skeptico

1589
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,520
and let's stay in touch

1590
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,720
great thank you thanks again to dr gail

1591
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,040
kimball for joining me today on skeptico

1592
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:57,280
please check out her excellent books i

1593
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,079
did talk

1594
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,480
a lot in this one partly because there's

1595
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,359
some stuff here i wanted to get into

1596
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,359
my new book and part of the thing is you

1597
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:07,359
gotta say it so you can get it

1598
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:08,480
transcribed so

1599
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,160
i don't have to write it in the book i

1600
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:12,319
can just include in the transcripts and

1601
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,200
edit them

1602
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:16,079
anyways that's my game now revealed to

1603
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,200
you

1604
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,680
but i do have one question to tee up it

1605
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:20,400
is the

1606
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:27,270
how are we to understand deal with

1607
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,079
process

1608
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,280
a psyop that moves things

1609
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,640
in the direction that we want them to go

1610
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,880
anyway the women's movement was a

1611
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:38,160
quote-unquote good

1612
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:42,799
thing there were valid social injustices

1613
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:46,319
that needed to be corrected are these

1614
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:46,880
kind of

1615
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,000
social movements always a mixed bag

1616
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,119
always a combination of

1617
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,880
social engineering and public will

1618
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,799
so i think you get the idea let me know

1619
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,400
your thoughts love to hear

1620
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,440
you over on the skeptical forum or

1621
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,599
drop me an email i have a lot of great

1622
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:07,599
shows coming up stick with me for all of